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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jul 16, 2010 10:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper's guide for the 21st century

"CA is not a catch-all, it's for otherwise permissible files that are either a) lossy, b) non-live, or c) non-musical."

Is The Internet Archive policy today saying, "Do NOT put ANY tapes of live music recordings in The Community Audio Collection"? Do I need to remove all my tapes, except for the ones I put into The Live Music Archive? I can do this. I am telling you, the vast majority of musicians I taped know my tapes are here -- because I let them know this.

Should I delete all the Lossless Audio files in my non-LMA items, and leave the rest alone? I have one tape from 1984 that's less than 30 years old. For ALL of my soundboard recordings, the Artists gave me the SBD feeds to record them. In many cases, I was their employee and soundman. Except for one tape, everything else I circulated is over 30 years old. My AUDs are, frankly, pretty crappy with lots of flaws in them. Their Commercial value: they're worthless.

I'm thinking to myself, "There must be some other people in a similar position as myself." Most of all, I'd like people to realize that musicians are sitting on more Tapes than anyone else out there. I believe that the Musicians are in possession of 90% of all of the tapes of live music that we have never heard yet. I'm pretty sure the older musicians, artists, and bands lack experience about how things really work here at The Archive. I speak from my own experiences during the past 3 years. Right now, I don't want to be in this position, all alone like this. But, I have no regrets.

Please advise me further, if this is possible. Thanks GreenOne. Thanks Jim. I don't want any trouble. I'm not looking for any grief. I am pushing 60 years old. What I am doing is time-consuming, and it's expensive. It's a donation. The rest of my stuff is being willed to Greenpeace. Donating to Greenpeace is something I will fight for, not fighting over these tapes.

I'd like to resolve this, please. If you cannot clarify further, please say so. Thanks. Peace.

My tapes are here
everything from June 9, 1973, and later, are my tapes. A few others are recordings I worked on and upgraded.

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Poster: greenone Date: Jul 16, 2010 12:09pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper's guide for the 21st century

I can't say whether this case is specifically covered within Internet Archive policy, but I can say that we've been contacted by artists or their representatives for recordings that appear outside of the LMA collection, requesting their removal. Most are cordial, some are not, and each one is technically a copyright violation in that they have not explicitly authorized the hosting of their work here. It's one thing to archive, it's quite another to redistribute.

If, when you signed the contract to make your recordings, it included a clause that said you were at liberty to distribute them and/or archive them permanently online, then there's no problem putting them up. However, if you do have that permission, why not get the artist's permission to put it in the Live Music Archive where it's much better organized, and where it can form part of a better-defined collection, rather than the dumping grounds of Community Audio?

I wish I could clarify further but I'm not an IA employee and am not in a position to do so. I'm a volunteer curator who would rather not see our project jeopardized.

This post was modified by greenone on 2010-07-16 19:09:51

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jul 18, 2010 9:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper's guide for the 21st century

I really appreciate being able to put this stuff here on The Archive. All of us need to know what's up. Thanks. You, myself, and Jim have all said the truth. I'm still learning things. I'm mostly finished here.

Me and the artists didn't keep in touch. The body-count for dead Artists that are recorded on my tapes is in the double-figures. For Artists I have contacted in these past 3 years, they have been contacted at least twice by e-mail. Some of the artists are in their 80s. I did not attempt to "force the hand" of these or other Artists. When I asked them to write an e-mail for an eTree permission, I believe many of them didn't know what I was talking about. None of these Artists ever said "NO" to me.

Several of these Artists have several live music collections -- in their names -- HERE at The Live Music Archive. You can also find them in the database over at eTree.

Some of these Artists have many more tapes of their live music preserved elsewhere. They are circulating on the internet, with their knowledge. Visit the Steam Powered Preservation Society website.

A bunch of these artists are shown in my Items, posed together on Dec 14, 2008, when I was there with them! This gathering happened partially because they heard my old Tapes going around on The Internet Archive months earlier, and they LOVED it. My Items also mention the names and the circumstances for taping these Artists.

I have done everything here by myself over nearly 3 years, quietly, in Public, using my real name, piece by piece. I cannot bring myself to pressure and hassle these gentlemen Artists time and again, if some of them didn't answer my e-mails. They've earned the privilege to be left alone by myself. In my mind, good soundmen also act like bodyguards, and they always protect the band and the artists. Maybe they're smarter than me.

At the end of the day, my case is more unusual than most. I am making excuses. I cannot justify do so. I'm tired. I'm lame. I'm tech-support. I'm an old, retired Taper. All my items have my contact info. I am trying to make a donation here. I'm guilty of having some extra time on my hands to do this. Nothing else. We have NO complaints for my Tapes, after 2 years.

In short, I cannot discuss with you what I cannot discuss. Furthermore, this is the case for me, as far as the people on this list is concerned. With a few exceptions, the people listed below, and the people on most of my tapes, are a cadre of musicians and artists from the same time and place in important musical history. They played together in numerous bands and groupings. I am telling parts of their story on The Archive, as best I know how. This is non-commercial material. I am doing this for free. As I understand things - and I could be wrong, I am the sole source for these items on The Archive. If it gets decided, "Today we want to keep this stuff a secret," I don't have a problem with that.

At the very least, I can provide The Archive with this "unwritten approval list" for my tapes. People on this list have my e-mails, or direct knowledge of my tapes as a direct result of my e-mails. This is virtually "one-and-the-same thing" in my mind. Some of them have had phone conversations with me that I made to them. Most of them met with me on Dec 13 and 14, 2008. You have the photo.

John Jump
Bob Briedenbach
Sam Bush
John Cowan
Curtis Burch
Hazel Johnson
Bill Millet
Robert Pool
Al White
Marshall Billingsley
Jamie Hartford
Wayne Lopes - Van Manakas
Buddy Emmons
Doug Jernigan
Scotty's Music, Inc.
Steam Powered Preservation Society
Cindy Baucom approves Boone Creek for her husband, Terry, who was in the band. Read Cindy's review.

Mark Diamond e-mailed eTree to get approval for my Arabesque tapes

Phil and Friends is approved - I upgraded Phil's jazz tapes

GD is approved - my AUDs were originally placed in Our Media. At first, I didn't know how else to create my Items at this point. eTree picked them up from there.

I never put other tapes here that didn't belong here. I added some interesting archival material for all the bands I taped.

I thought I was helping everyone out here. I'd be happy to retract these postings. You may feel free to remove this thread. I can delete my tapes. You may remove my Items at your discretion. Please, feel free to let me know, or not. Thank you. Peace.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 18, 2010 9:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper's guide for the 21st century

I will quickly take this down , dhMonte . I hope everything is O.K. , and if not I hope there is hope . I will have good thoughts for you .

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jul 18, 2010 9:54am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper's guide for the 21st century

It's cool. Thanks. It's hard to remember all this stuff. The "cadre of musicians" is all split up now, decades later. They have their families and their careers. Many of them still gather each year at Telluride Bluegrass Festival. Norman and Tut are in their 80s. Bunches of them are in their 70s. You have the "dead-ones" partial list.

When we got together, on Dec 13 and 14, 2008, one very famous artist said, "We made funny looking old men, I tell you what." Then another one said he was amazed "everyone was still vertical" after all these years.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 18, 2010 10:25am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Taper's guide for the 21st century

I am glad everything is cool . I hope that you can catalog all the work you have done .
I won't leave your reply hanging . If I see that you have deleted your reply , then I will do so as well . I would normally not post in a thread such as this , but something in your tone yesterday and today , compelled me . I 'll still have some good thoughts for you . Have a good Sunday dhM.